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|[MADRASA] NonMuslim thinks Islam is about rape incest murder killing, unequality???!!|
|07/14/01 at 12:38:00|
|Rape. Incest. Murder. Rape babies. Genital mutilation. total |
lack of realisation about equality. If there is a god, He would commit
suicide to see how muslims choose to believe. I've read all your
articles, thanks, and unbiastly too. All of it is excuses. None of it is any
good. Ever wondered why you keep killing each other? Why babies are
born into blood and unhappiness. Why you can kill. You amaze me. Get some
back bone and fight against this religious crap they run your lives by.
Or be happy to accept that your husband can bring back genital desieses
to you and your children, choose your desires for you and keep you
there as a rag.Definatly no smiles. You sadden me.
|01/24/01 at 15:20:46|
|You, anonymous, are an example of the close minded bigotry and ignorance that keeps the world in the pathetic condition it is in today. You talk about reading articles unbiasly and your post reflects the extent of your prejudice. Really, I suggest you actually get a clue and learn something before you become harmful to yourself and others. Ignorance does nothing but breed ignorance, and there's already enough of it out there already.|
You want to talk about something sad? Look at how women are being portrayed, what the definition of beauty is in the society we live in. Did you know that 40% of men on college campuses said they would rape a woman if they knew they wouldn't get caught? That 30% of men said it would do some women some good to get raped? that 20% of women agreed to that statement? Look at what's being fed to people, what people are accepting as right and wrong. Read what Sut Jhally, George Gerbner, says about what this society says about women. It's incomprehensible to me that you could blame Islam for rape when it's structure is such that it protects women from it by any means necessary.
I would go through each of the things you mentioned, but it's clear that you already know where Islam stands on those issues. Islam not only does not permit the things you mentioned, it codemns them as some of the worst crimes a person can commit. Some of the crimes you mentioned in fact, are what Muslims choose to believe should be punished by death. Hmm, does that fit into your view of what Islam says? Do you know what the punishment is for a man who is guilty of raping a woman in Islam? He doesn't get 7 years at lockup, I can tell you that.
[quote] Get some back bone and fight against this religious crap they run your lives by. [/quote]
"They"? Who are "they"? I choose to live my life the way I want to, and just because I don't buy into some radical feminist anti-men ideology does not make me oppressed. There's no clergy in Islam, no body of men that decide what I should do or how I should act. I choose to dress in a way that has men determine and judge me by my intellect and not my physical appearance. And that's oppression? I'm oppressed because I choose to have men look at my mind instead of my body? That's the ultimate in liberation. What kind of liberation is it to dress in the way that men design you to dress, to prance around wearing next to nothing just to be eye candy? That your worth and value is based on something so animal and base and low? You're telling me that's liberation? I don't think so.
[quote] Or be happy to accept that your husband can bring back genital diseases to you and your children [/quote]
I don't even know what you're talking about here. How does Islam allow this? Again, look at the statistics of a society without Islam, the rate of extra marital affairs the rocketing numbers of sexually transmitted diseases... Islam does nothing but curb this, look at the punishment for those who commit adultery.
[quote] choose your desires for you [/quote]
No one chooses my desires for me but *me*. Is this clear? Let me repeat this. No one, no one, NO ONE, chooses what I am, what I want, what I desire, what I hate, what I love, what I think, what I believe, but ME. Being married does not change this.
[quote] and keep you there as a rag [/quote]
I don't know what kind of relationships you've been in, but a relationship with equal rights and commitment and trust does not make a person a rag. I suggest you take a look at the statistics of domestic abuse in the United States today, and what Islam says about abusing your wife and/or children.
You know what's sad? Islam is a vibrant, rational, beautiful, amazing faith - one that allows men and women to fulfill their ultimate potential without annihilating their personalities and sensibilities. It literally creates a balance and a harmony among all things, and one who is Muslim understands this and truly feels that sense of peace within themselves. It's structure is such that it allows for us to be who we are, to interact with one another in a way that is good and right, and have a direct relationship with God. It commmands us to be good to ourselves, our spouses, our families, to give in charity, to establish prayer, to command what is right and fight against injustice, hate and all evils.
And the sad part is, you refuse to give it more than a cursory glance, jump to incorrect conclusions, make sweeping judgements about an entire people, and continue to live your life steeped in ignorance, prejudice and hatred.
You're right. Definitely no smilies.
|01/24/01 at 15:44:27|
Jazakillah khair Se7en for clearing up that misunderstanding for Anonymous, I was just about to do the same. I have to admit though, Anonymous must be a deeeeeeply confused ignorant person!
Great job Se7en.
|01/24/01 at 17:28:00|
Salams to you sister! You explained that nice.
If Anon, your intentions are to get Muslims riled up behind those statements. You missed the boat on that one! I don't even see what you are trying to accomplish here. What you say makes no sense at all and it made me wonder just who are you really referring too? I believe you have the wrong board. Now, if you are saying the world is in a bad state...your right. If you are saying something needs to be done about those terrible things that are happening...you are right. If you are saying this represents Islam...You are funny for you are sadly mistaken and that seal over your heart is choking you to death for it gets tighter everyday.
|01/24/01 at 19:03:14|
|What? Sister Malika, you called this person Anon? How do you know that's him? Is he the same person that used to come to the other board and make some really ingnorant comments? |
You know lots of people come on this board with prejudices and make generalizations about Islam but they are no where as filled with ignorance and hatred as you are. And we can put up with that and hold convsersations and debates with them from which all of us learn one thing or another. But you--you are not worth it.
Rape babies? Are you describing your society? Incest? Are you again describing your society? Do you remember or ever heard of Jimmy Swagart the televengalist who was a big hot shot a few years back? You know what he said about the US society in one of his book? He said that no other nation has the incest rates that the US does. Surprised? Please buy his books from amazon.com or go look it up in US statistics.
Genital mutilation? Again, who are you talking about? Africa, people of African background? Well here is another surprise for you: Among the Africans who do that most are not Muslims, yes a few, but not most. Most of them belong to other religions. Does Islam allow this? No.
Equality? There are different types of equality, which ones are you referring to? There is political equality, social equality, economic equality, and gender equality? Which one is it? (Might I suggest that you take Speech 101 so that you can learn how to convince people of your views and opinions in a rational way?)
Aids and sexualy diseas are not as common among Muslims as in other peoples. A fact, not an opinion. Go to the library, do some search.
And you, what world do you live in, in what category do you put yourself in where people don't kill each other? Again, US has one of the worst crime rate in the world. Look it up, it's a fact.
How many cases have you heard where Muslim parents have killed their babies and children? Come back and tell us and then maybe we can talk, otherwise don't because you will be ignored. How many Muslim women do you know of or heard about who dump thier babies in the garbage can? How many stepfathers have you heard of that kill their spouses child to collect insurance money? How many Muslim parents have you heard of or read about in the news that kill their babies because the baby wouldn't stop crying?
This is the Age of Information, go seek it, bring us EVIDENCE and we will take you down point by point inshallah. Truth stands clear from falsehood, whether you want to accept the truth or not, that's up to you.
|01/25/01 at 01:03:51|
|Assalamu alaa man ittaba'al hudaa,|
[quote]What? Sister Malika, you called this person Anon? How do you know that's him? Is he the same person that used to come to the other board and make some really ingnorant comments?
[/quote]Saleema, "Anon" is an abbreviation for ANONymous :)
P.S. I think that was the only thing *worth* replying to in this thread ... no?!
|01/27/01 at 14:04:56|
Br.Arsalan, I initially had the same idea as you, but sometimes, I think if nothing else, our gut tells us to refute absurd notions about Islam. And if what we say has an affect on the person, then Alhamdulillah. You know, what amazes me the most about people like Anonymous is that there is *nothing* that will make them cahnge their minds. Yeah, "unbias" my foot. I will never believe when anyone says that. Whenever I talk to opposers of Islam/religion in general, I ask them to name *ONE* thing that would make them believe, WHAT do they want to hear from my mouth? WHAT do they want to see with their own eyes?? You know what the answer always is?
They have seals over their eyes and locks upon their hearts. Allah warns us about them. They don't know what they want to hear because they don't want to hear ANYTHING! Obviously they don't want PROOF, because we have plenty of that. Obviously they don't want FACTS, PHILOSOPHY, or SCIENCE because we have plenty of that too. They want US to stutter, sweat, get confused and ultimately make them look like the winners. THAT is what they want, not the truth.
The hell if we ever let them win.
|01/29/01 at 09:40:04|
Many thanks for your intelligent and insightful contribution to the discussion on this board. Just a few things to come back on:
1. When you heckle someone or make sarcastic comments, the idea is to make THEM (the recipient) look stupid. Not yourself. I think you need more practice on this one.
2. If you are unhappy with the state of the world (every single one of the items you mentioned are prevalent in non-muslim societies to a greater extent than in muslim ones) then get out and begin to change things. Don't sit in your bedroom, surfing the net and reading articles and then assume you know about Islam. Go out and talk to real live Muslims. Praise be to Allah, it's testament to their characters that sisters like Se7en, Learner, Malika, Saleema and Nazia replied substantively to your post when that post was so full of ignorance and hatred.
3. "It's all excuses". What? The articles on this site that you read so "unbiastly" are excuses for how the world is? Your (surely unintended) flattery is much misplaced: neither the authors of the articles nor anyone else for that matter has the right to "excuse" the way things are.
For the rest of you, I'll add this Anonymous person to the list of nominations on the "Who would you like to see converted" thread!
|01/29/01 at 11:37:48|
I can alwyas count on brother Arsalan for making me look stupid. :)
PS LOL brother harris, about the who would you like to see converted list. :)
|01/29/01 at 13:35:59|
I can alwyas count on brother Arsalan for making me look stupid. :)
Although Bro. Arsalan is correct for the abbreviation don't feel bad sis It just might be Anon or one of his family members!
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